Hon. Godwin Hulse - Minister of Immigration
"Now if you wanted to ask me about people who got nationality who should not have gotten nationality, that is an immigration issue. And you do know that after the Penner debacle we undertook a massive push to try to look at a lot of these. We put in lots of systems to try to protect and catch it. What I heard Castellanos talked about some sort of internal ring of people doing things. It's unfortunate that people did that, but I must point out and I don't want this point to be missed that when I grabbed that portion of the thing, especially the Penner thing I will never get over the fact that we took a guy to the public service commission, who took the picture of a ghost and produce the picture of that ghost on a passport called Won Hong Kim and the public service commission sent him back to department with his back paid and said there was no case. I cannot for the love of me imagine how that ever happened and we took 4 persons that time. They all came back. Those are some of the problems we have to face up here. There were also people who go out to inspect that these people were living, who should ask questions where they are, those people at the department, they are also responsible and I would hope that investigation will bring up the names of all those and not only be focusing on which minister gave which permit and who called what? run the gambit from the top to the bottom, because if there's a ring I tell you honest truth I would hope that everyone go to jail who was involved in this and we confiscate the passport and nationality of everyone who got. You know for a fact that so far we have confiscated 2 legally, we have clipped some that came in and I keep doing this and people say well you can't take the Chinese because they will be stateless. I really don't care, cannot come in to my country become a citizen through fraudulent means and hope to stay."

Reporter
"These happen under your watch really and truly."

Hon. Godwin Hulse - Minister of Immigration
"Yes, some of it did and I have to take responsibly as the ultimate, but that is what I'm saying. I'm hoping that the investigation would highlight and pinpoint those person who did the fraud coming up because if it was up to me, there wouldn't be any fraud, but you would have gotten 2-3 a year."

Reporter
"Nanes Schnitzer, you blocked a senate investigation with your signature on the nationality document."

Hon. Godwin Hulse - Minister of Immigration
"No sir, get that matter straight. We signed an order to revoke his nationality. You know that happened. I did, that's published, and that went through the gazette. That's a fact. So that's not fiction. That was part of this whole investigation. I am saying while we are investigating the senate, it would be ludicrous to have 2 or 3 investigations going along with the same matter."

Reporter
"Who are the people held accountable in the Nanes Schnitzer case? That is not in the audit report, so I do not believe that it would actually be followed up as part of the probe."

Hon. Godwin Hulse - Minister of Immigration
"I don't know, I haven't seen it haven't read the full report but now that you raised it can be looked at. Yes it can be looked up and see who are the people who brought it all the way up. I have no difficulty and I'll say this a million times, I have no difficulty with any document I signed because so help me God if I found out it was fraudulent I am the first to revoke and put the people out. But what I'm saying as minister and sometimes I sat there until 8-9 in the night. I had to set in systems where I made sure that people were signing with me were sitting there, so I could say did you do this? Is this correct? Is this your signature? And then I signed. Remember after that it had 3 processes to go through. I did the same thing in natural resources ministry. People sat there with me and signed until late in the night. It is a stressful job for the minister to take that on especially when you think you have a team behind you that should the honorable and honest, but in fact they have a game and they are smiling at you in your face. I personally would really want to see them go to jail."

Reporter
"Minister, last week Miss Castellanos spoke about that in entrench culture of corruption. She stated that it started from the top to the bottom. The top would indicate the minister, really and truly you. Do you think that you are - well you said that you are a little bit responsible, but where does this go from here? It starts from the minister to the bottom. How do you respond to that statement?"

Hon. Godwin Hulse - Minister of Immigration
"I hope Miss Castellanos had no intention of mentioning me as part of any ring of corruption. so when she said the top I hope she didn't say me. I wasn't here listening in, because clearly I was never and would never be involved in that and everybody knows that."

Reporter
"You do agree that it requires police investigation."

Hon. Godwin Hulse - Minister of Immigration
"Then let the police investigate. I have no problem with that. You are calling for one, let it happen."

Reporter
"Would you diretcor to go ahead and report the matter to the police?"

Hon. Godwin Hulse - Minister of Immigration
"I have no problem, yes I would direct her now, yesterday, last week and anytime."

Reporter
"Last week, last month when the thing happened?"

Hon. Godwin Hulse - Minister of Immigration
"Listen to me good. If the media is suggesting that Godwin Hulse should run everything in the department trust me Godwin Hulse can, but the whole department goes home, you'll get 2 passports a year, it'll be genuine passports, you get no visa, you'll get 3 or 4 nationality but they will be very clean."